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Our Final Thoughts.. Processing Pain & Her Husband is Driving Around Strippers

Our final thoughts on this saga we are going through and answering a question sent in by a listener. 

Our failed IVF transfer..

We're back — and we have a lot to say. Year four of marriage brought us some of the best moments we've shared together, and honestly, the hardest. In this episode, we're finally opening up about something we've kept close: after three years of trying to conceive, we traveled to Greece to do IVF — and it didn't work.We're not sharing this from the other side of healing. We're sharing it from the middle of it. We talk about the word God gave Jess years before we even started trying, the peace we felt going in, and the very specific kind of grief that comes when God says not yet — especially when you emptied your savings account and flew across the world believing He would.We get into the wrestling — with doubt, with prayer, with showing up to church when you don't want to, with singing worship songs you don't fully mean right now. We talk about Abraham, Lazarus, Romans 4, and what it actually looks like to hope when hope feels pointless. And we close on where we're landing as we step into year five: grateful, locked in, and choosing to live fully in the right now.If you're waiting on something — a baby, a breakthrough, an answer — this one's for you.

When the Friend Zone Gets Complicated

A listener wrote in with one of the most relatable situations we've heard — she caught feelings for her guy friend, told him, and he said he wasn't ready... but maybe in the future. Now she's stuck between protecting her heart and not wanting to lose one of the most important people in her life.
This week, we're getting into all of it — the power shift that happens the moment feelings are out in the open, why "maybe" can be more confusing than a flat-out no, and what it actually looks like to set a boundary when you don't want to. We also get into our own story, because yeah, we've been on both sides of this.
If you've ever liked your friend and didn't know what to do next — this one's for you.

The Church Hurt Me...Never Going Back

We're talking about church hurt — and we're not gonna pretend it isn't real. From abuse covered up by boards to leaders who weaponize Jesus, we see you. But we're also asking the harder question: is walking away from church altogether actually protecting you, or is it costing you something? We get into what the body of Christ was always meant to be, how to vet a church before you commit, and why togetherness isn't just a nice idea — it might be your actual superpower.

Love Wins

A listener sent in one of the hardest questions we've gotten: her two close friends — both Christians — just started dating each other, and they're both women. She loves them deeply, disagrees with their relationship theologically, and has no idea what to do. We sat with this one for a minute because honestly? It's not simple.
In this episode we talk about what it actually looks like to love someone well when you don't agree with how they're living — whether that's an LGBTQ relationship, a situationship, a destructive pattern, or anything else. What does love require here? When do you say something? How do you say it? And what do you do when they don't listen?
We're not pretending to have every answer. But we do believe leading with humility and love is never the wrong starting point.

That Wasn’t God… That Was You

We're back — and we're getting into something that's behind so much confusion in dating, relationships, and honestly life in general: being ruled by your feelings instead of your convictions.
From situationship decisions made at 2AM, to driving 90 minutes just to drop off a note (yes, that happened), to a very recent disagreement about a cat and an open door — Jonathan and Jess get personal about what it actually looks like to let your emotions call the shots, and why that never ends well.
We talk about the difference between feelings and convictions, why "closure" is mostly a myth, how "follow your heart" culture has shaped a generation, and what it looks like to bring your feelings to God instead of acting on them. Plus: how to know if something is from God or just from you (hint — check the frantic meter).
Your feelings are real. They're just not supposed to be your lord.

LET THAT MAN GO!

He bought a house. You thought a ring was next. That was two years ago. This week we're in the listener questions and we're not being gentle about it — if he can't make a decision at 33, that tells you everything. We're also tackling whether you can build a life with someone who's a good person but not a believer. Spoiler: it's mango season.

We Haven't Made Money in 4 Months...

We're not gonna sugarcoat it — we've been in a drought. Four months. Zero brand deals. Zero new income. And a whole lot of conversations between us about whether we're doing enough, saving enough, trusting enough. This week, we're getting raw about what it actually looks like to trust God when provision feels absent — not as a sermon, but as a confession. We're talking financial pressure, the pride of not wanting to say "I can't afford that," Jonathan's battle with feelings of inadequacy as a husband, and what God keeps whispering in the middle of all of it: remain faithful.

This is Why You're Still Single

Everyone's got a theory on why they're single — bad luck, no good options, wrong city. But what if the answer is a little closer to home? In this episode, Jess and Jonathan get into the real reasons people stay stuck in singleness — and none of them are what you think. From wanting it so bad you're pushing people away, to being too picky for the wrong reasons, to just not doing the inner work — they're keeping it honest. But they also flip the script: sometimes being single isn't a problem to solve. Sometimes it's a gift you're sleeping on. Tune in for the real talk, the laughs, and a reminder that God's timing isn't cruel — it's actually just better than yours.

Should You Change for Love? | Is Marriage Worth Losing Yourself?

A listener wrote in with a dilemma a lot of couples quietly face — her boyfriend told her she'd need to give up drinking if they were going to get married. She doesn't think drinking is wrong. He's a church leader whose congregation doesn't condone it. And she loves him more than she loves alcohol. So what's the problem?
The problem is the reason behind the ask.
Jonathan and Jess unpack the difference between dying to self out of love and losing yourself out of pressure. They get into what it looks like to examine someone's character before accepting their convictions, what Paul says about the weaker conscience, and why his position in the church matters more than you'd think.
Plus — what do you do when your spouse's convictions change after you've already said I do?
This one's for anyone wondering where the line is between healthy compromise and quietly becoming a shell of yourself.